• photography Jheyda McGarrell

    STRIKE THE ROOT, In Conversation with Destinee Ross-Sutton x Unapologetic Womxn

    Written by Fashion Tales

    Destinee Ross-Sutton rose to prominence in the Black art scene during the 2020/21 season, thanks to her remarkable curation of three groundbreaking exhibitions. Her first exhibition, ‘Black Voices/Black Microcosm,’ was held in Stockholm in partnership with CFHILL. It was the only physical exhibition that opened during the global Covid pandemic and closed just 13 days before George Floyd’s senseless killing, which sparked the worldwide BLM movement. The second exhibition, titled ‘Black Voices: Friend of My Mind,’ was held in New York, marking her inaugural gallery show in the city. Finally, she curated the ‘Say it Loud’ series at Christie’s New York, which further solidified her position as a leading voice in Black art. All at a pivotal moment when interest in art from the African diaspora truly commenced, these visionary exhibitions not only contributed to but also came to help redefine the artistic canon and inspired othersnto expand the art world’s commitment to artists of colour. Since then, living between New York and Stockholm, Ross-Sutton has continued to curate and advise independently.

    Known to be an artist’s advocate, a tastemaker, someone who discovers new talent and gives particularly young and underrepresented artists of colour and/or female artists a chance by either exhibiting their work for the first time or by giving them their international debuts. She is an activist in the art world who fights for artists’ rights. Since 2021, she has been implementing resale restrictions in her sale agreements. This has become more of a norm as artists have put pressure on their galleries to implement it, particularly when the gallery fails to recognize its importance in providing for an orderly resale market for the artist’s works of art. Ross-Sutton internationally debuted Khari Turner during the 59th Venice Biennale, co-curated the exhi- bition ‘4000+ Years of African Art’ at the Wall House Museum on St. Barths, and is the muse of several heavy hitters in the genre such as Kehinde Wiley, Derrick Adams, Amoako Boafo, and Tim Okamura, who were inspired by Destinee the individual, the woman and her dedication and work in the arts, trying to make a difference.

    Like Wiley, whose artist residency, Black Rock Senegal, welcomes artists to Dakar, Ross-Sutton is planning to develop an artist retreat on her property in South Africa. Hoping to open in 2025, the retreat will continue her mission to “allow artists to truly be themselves so that others may see them more clearly in the work.” It will be an extension of her foundation Black Artist Collective which helps promote and support young and emerging African, LGTBQ+ artists, and female artists. Her latest exhibition ‘Unapologetic WomXn: The Dream is the Truth’ presents thirty-three artists investigating female sexuality through their own eyes. The exhibition, her second to take place concurrently with the Venice Biennale, is hosted by the European Cultural Center and will be on view at Palazzo Bembo from April 20 to November 24, 2024. We caught up with 28-year-old Ross-Sutton during FRIEZE LA. Apart from visiting the fair, she advises several private institutions, international collectors, and organisations on acquisitions of particularly but not exclusively contemporary African and African American art. During our conversation, I under- stood that artists are central to Ross-Sutton, and it is rare to meet someone willing to place the artist first.

    I am pretty much the complete opposite of, I don’t know, 95% of the individuals at these art fairs,” Ross-Sutton says laughingly. She wears colourful braids and describes herself as a young pansexual Black woman. “I was 23 when I closed my first six-figure deal at Art Basel Miami. It was incredible to place a Yinka Shonibare sculpture and a Deborah Roberts collage with a foundation” she tells me about how she started in the art world. Born in 1995 in Harlem, New York like the young Black girl in another one of Roberts’ works, “This American Life”—Ross-Sutton explains that growing up in Harlem in the 90s and 2000s was not easy, and she was marked by the violence on the streets and in the news. In 2016 she quit her journalism studies, disillusioned by the sensationalist media of then and today. Pursuing an art career, she felt, would give her a better chance to impact people’s minds. She was determined to curate exhibitions with a message to better society as it turns out this has sometimes come to centre her own experiences, and finding them mirrored in the artists whose work she exhibits. When we talk about the shoot for Odalisque, she tells me she doesn’t feel comfortable in front of the camera. “The photographer Jheyda McGarrell is a friend and he helped me relax we had a lot of fun with it” she continues. Ross-Sutton is a person with gravitas. She is opinionated, and measured, not over the top and decidedly modest. A web search yields event photos of her looking sharply clad in designer outfits and a feature in Vogue that touted her for bringing a “fresh fashion perspective to the art world” referencing one of her exhibitions where she asked artists to consider fashion. On her relationship with fashion, Ross-Sutton, however, says she is a novice. Fittingly focusing on fashion’s more expressionistic and transformative qualities: “I like exploring life, my sexuality, my femininity through fashion. It is a bit of a costume, or a ‘performance’ in a way. The shoot was like learning how to walk in heels.” For this year’s exhibition in Venice, the thirty-three female artists on view break away from traditionally male-dominated societies that impose an idea of what a woman should be. Instead, they focus on communicating how women navigate the world, on their terms. The idea for the exhibition dates back to 2021 when Ross-Sutton and her husband, a German art consultant, started thinking about the need to curate an exhibition on the female gaze. Amidst it all, life threw some major curveballs at her—her father underwent major surgery to fight cancer, her husband was in a medical facility, and her family lost a close family friend to senseless violence. She became depressed, some days unable to get out of bed. When she was diagnosed with inattentive Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) she was able to identify a source for some of her procrastination and anxiety and saw a way out. Family, a handful of friends, and her faith helped her through, and curating the show on women became more prescient to create a community and space to reflect. “The experience of being a woman is multifaceted; many X-factors determine what one’s experience as a woman will look like. From family and society, economic and socioeconomic factors, racial background, skin tone, zip codes, the beauty standards of one’s culture or the culture of the country you live in, politics, and laws that affect your womxnhood. Rarely imposed by you, but the burden is yours to bear,” she explains.

    Last summer she, together with her husband, moved to Sweden to a quiet house by the water. From their new base in Europe, she returns to New York every other month, for work and to spend time with her family. “Being a Black girl in Harlem or a woman in New York was familiar and still is. Living in Brooklyn with my husband and then moving to Stockholm gave me a different experience of being a woman,” she says, clarifying that the experience of being a woman is ever-changing and often circumstantial. “In the same way, it is a different experience being in the aisles of an art fair like Art Basel as one of the few people of colour during the VIP pre- view. It is slowly changing, but it is still very much an older white male-dominated business in this art world. In my professional life, I am not only a woman, but I am also young and people expect that to count against me.”
    The show’s atmosphere was set by two of Ross-Sutton’s recent acquisitions, including Vanessa Raw’s “Nothing to Lose” which was exhibited at Frieze London. Raw’s work, characterized by liberation and freedom, was displayed at Carl Freedman and impressed many visitors - “it literally stopped my husband in his tracks, he knew I would love them, I can see myself in her work, the lush and soft world she creates.”. Vanessa German’s sculpture “Flight” also caught the attention of the audience. The sculpture pays tribute to Althea Gibson, a trailblazing tennis player who became the first African American woman to win a Grand Slam in 1956. Gibson’s victory at Wimbledon and the US Nationals (predecessor to the US Open) in 1957 and 1958, made her a legend. The sculpture also brings to mind the achievements of 21st-century tennis superstars, Venus and Serena Williams. An incorporated twist of hair represents a legacy of strength, ferocity, and precarity in Black womanhood.

    But also seeing Tracey Emin’s “HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I AM” (at Paris+). All the female artists she approached were enthusiastic about the exhibition, but to her surprise, some galleries, even female-run ones, were not interested in the exhibition. “It is always a toss-up which galleries are open to collaboration and those who pass. ”As written in the press release- “Women are and can be many things, daughters, mothers, sisters, CEOs, entrepreneurs, workers, caregivers, caretakers, providers, innovators, lovers, wives, queer, lesbian, bisexual, Christian, Muslim, atheists, Hindus, Sikhs, Catholics, Jewish, politicians, world leaders, women are loved, objectified, respected, disrespected, stoned, killed, admired, trafficked, worshipped, enslaved, oppressed, abused, used, celebrated, monetized, mourned, can be Caucasian, Black, Asian, Aboriginal, Hispanic, biracial, even multiracial, can be children, teens, adults, young or old, tall, short, skinny, obese, malnourished, healthy or not, refugees, free to travel or not, allowed to get an education or not, choose their partner or not, decide how to dress or not, their lives, gender and sexual expression, bodies and reproductive rights decided for them or not. But are women free to just ‘be’?”

    Spotlighting the theatricality of gender and the development of female identity, former milliner Ryan Wilde created sculptures “Precious Purple Bunny” and “Bunny Boobs” with felt and wooden mould-making, expanding on her craft. Traversing the history of slavery utilising cartoon aesthetics, Brittany Tucker misrepresents the white body to address the relationship between American blackness & whiteness with “Companion.” The painting “Ivy and Friends” by Stella Kapezanou is a lush depiction of Ivy Getty, a contemporary American heiress, against the backdrop of a Toulouse Lautrec painting. Making the work a clever commentary on privilege, some will recognise the wallpaper from the restroom at the exclusive members-club Annabel’s in London. Lydia Nobels’ sculpture “Temperance” addresses the issues and challenges of abortion access in the US, especially after the reversal of “Roe v Wade.” “I had curated a solo exhibition with Lydia in NY in time for the 2022 November elections. Each work represents a chair in the waiting room of an abortion clinic, telling the individual personal story of a woman and her struggles to get legal access to an abortion,“ says Ross-Sutton.

    Artists reflect the times we live in, otherwise, is it not simply decoration? Are women only decorations,objects? Art should make you feel—it can provoke a sense of peace or shake you, asking you to con- your ideas,” Ross-Sutton says, which she succeeds within ‘Unapologetic WomXn: The Dream is the Truth.’”

    Other artists in the show are Stacey Gillian Abe, Isa Andersson, Pyaar Azaadi formerly known as Jaishri Abichandani, Rita Mawuena Benissan, Alison Blickle, Gill Button, Bhasha Chakrabarti, Dorothea Charol, Caitlin Cherry, Renee Cox, Ariel Dannielle, Lunita-July Dorn, Maria Fragoso, Monica Kim Garza, Reihaneh Hosseini, Lyne Lapointe, Amani Lewis, Turiya Magadlela, Emily Manwaring, Kristina Matousch, Rune Mields, Sungi Mlengeya, Zanele Muholi, Paris Reid, Deborah Roberts, Sevina Tzánou, and Nadia K Waheed. “They are aged 25 to 89, emerging to established, from Greece, Germany, Uganda, Ukraine, South Africa, Sweden, India, Iran, USA, etc. Some works were specifically made for this exhibition, others were lent, including from our personal collection.”

    As we move further into the world of ‘me, then you,’ Ross-Sutton holds a quiet intensity and a dedication to curating meaningful exhibitions while supporting both emerging and established artists in reaching the next stage of their careers.

    “Delta-V”, 2022. Caitlin Cherry. Courtesy the artist
    photography Jheyda McGarrell

    “Portrait of Destinee Ross”, 2019

    Kehinde Wiley. Courtesy the artist

    “Fire Fighter (Destinee)”, 2021

    Tim Okamura. Courtesy the artist

    “Alice”, 2024. Gill Button. Courtesy the artist

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    “Leda's Hand”, 2023. Stella Kapezanou. Courtesy the artist
    photography Jheyda McGarrell

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    “The secrets in our hems”. Sungi Mlengeya. Courtesy the artist
    “Her Sparking Heart”, 2024. Georgia Theologou. Courtesy the artist

    “Othile”, 2020. Zanele Muholi. Courtsy the artist
    “Ivy and friends”, 2022. Stella Kapezanou. Courtesy the artist
    “Nothing to Lose”, 2023. Vanessa Raw. Courtesy the artist
    “Temperance”. Lydia Nobles. Courtesy the artist

    “Josephine Baker”. Dorothea Charol. Courtesy the artist

    OCCHIO, MALOCCHIO, PREZZEMOIO E FINOCCHIO“, 2024.

    Lunita-July Dorn.
    Courtesy the artist and Galerie Judith Andreae

    “Destinee”, 2019. Amoako Boafo. Courtesy the artist.

    Flight”, 2019. Vanessa German. Courtesy the artist

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    “Companion”, 2019. Brittany Tucker. Courtesy the artist

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    “Precious Purple Bunny”, 2024. Ryan Wilde.

    Courtesy the artist and Galerie Brigitte Mulholland.

  • I told you I'd be home most of the day - a meditation on longing by Josef Jägnefält

    Written by Natalia Muntean

    Swedish artist Josef Jägnefält’s first solo exhibition at Saskia Neuman Gallery, I told you I'd be home most of the day, invites viewers into a world where ordinary objects become powerful carriers of hidden stories and emotions.

    Throughout the exhibition, we are invited to explore the delicate balance between stillness and longing, where the most intimate objects become reflections of human desire. “I don’t think about a story,” says Jägnefält, “I think about the colour and how to get there.” This focus on details and colour lends the works a quiet yet powerful emotional resonance and captures the tension between what is revealed and what is left unsaid, offering a visual meditation on longing and desire.

    I told you I'd be home most of the day will be on display until September 26th at Saskia Neuman Gallery in Stockholm.

    Natalia Muntean: Could you tell me a bit about how you started as an artist? Was there a decisive moment when you realised this was what you wanted to do?
    Josef Jägnefält:
    I applied to art school, encouraged by friends and family. I initially studied printmaking, but when I applied to university, I focused on painting full-time.

    NM: Did you grow up in a family of artists?
    JJ:
    My mother was a teacher who sometimes taught art classes, though she wasn’t a trained art teacher. She enjoyed it, and her mother was also an amateur painter. It was always present in the family, but no one pursued it as a career until me. My brother is an architect, which is somewhat close.

    NM: Do you have any routines or methods that help get you into a creative mindset?
    JJ:
    Going to the studio every day and just continuing to work is key. Eventually, something happens. My process is slow, using small brushes. It sometimes feels like I haven't done anything for a week, but when I return to the work, I realise things have moved forward.

    NM: How does the journey go from gathering images to creating a painting? And how do you decide which ones will become paintings?
    JJ:
    I save images on my phone or computer, and they can come from anywhere—books, online, or even everyday observations. Everything gets processed digitally, but I like to print the image to have a physical copy. From there, I might make a simple drawing or use transfer paper to trace it onto canvas or another surface.
    It’s a very intuitive process. I might find an image, save it, and maybe a year later it resurfaces when it feels ready. It’s not immediate; it’s more about timing and seeing when an image feels right. I print a lot of images and experiment. Instead of starting with a big painting, I might begin with a smaller one to test it. Over time, I’ve painted over so many works, only to later find a picture of the original painting and realise it was interesting. But by then, it’s gone because I painted over it. I’ve ruined many paintings like that and regretted it later. Now, I try to stop before I get to that point, so I can restart the same painting if I need to.

    NM: How do you decide which materials to use for a painting? What materials or techniques are important for expressing the feelings you want to convey?
    JJ:
    I used to buy large canvases and aim for perfection, but it became time-consuming and creatively limiting. After moving to Stockholm, I began using scrap materials like MDF or wood from building sites, which brought more variety into my work. The paint itself is very important. I usually use acrylic paint, which can be in any colour, for my larger paintings. With acrylics, I can be adventurous and use different colours, mixing them as I like. With oils, I limit myself to five colours, inspired by LS Lowry, a British painter known for his industrial landscapes of people in Manchester. This approach has significantly impacted my paintings, as it has forced me to really focus on finding the right colour. I enjoy the challenge of reproducing a printed pattern as closely as possible, but sometimes I can’t get the exact colour I want, which leads to something unexpected and I enjoy that.

    NM: Are there any materials you’d like to work with in the future?
    JJ:
    I’m always curious about new materials. My girlfriend is also an artist, and though she doesn’t paint, she uses a lot of different materials in her work. That’s a great source of inspiration, and we often share materials.

    NM: Do you give each other feedback on your work?
    JJ:
    Always! It’s important to have people you trust. I invite a few close friends to the studio to ask for their opinions. Sometimes you need an outside perspective to see if a piece is finished or if it works.

    NM: How do you know when a painting is finished?
    JJ:
    Sometimes I’m afraid of ruining it, so I stop. There are examples where I stopped too early, but that became a part of the piece. When I put the frame on, it’s like saying goodbye to the painting.

    NM: When you blend different sources like art history, photography, and magazines, do you feel you're creating a new story, or are you highlighting elements of existing ones?
    JJ:
    It’s a mix. It becomes a narrative, but it's not a clear-cut story. I don't have a storyboard or an ending. I want to surprise myself by putting images next to each other, and something happens. I'm not sure what it is, but it's fun to do.

    NM: I imagine that it's like a puzzle? You mix and match the pictures?
    JJ:
    I keep painting, and when the paintings are ready, something happens. I might work on several paintings at a time. Many of them get discarded, put on a shelf, and then, much later, I find something interesting and continue working. It might take a couple of years to finish a painting, but usually, it's a week.

    NM: So you go back to the ones you’ve put on the shelf?
    JJ:
    I save them. I have a lot from years ago. The oldest ones are in the basement where I live. I don’t think I’ll start working with them again.

    NM: Do you think some of the things you paint are parts of your memories, that you're attracted to certain images?
    JJ:
    Of course. When I see an image and I'm drawn to it, I think it’s my gut feeling signalling. I really believe in that, and I have to stay true to it.

    NM: How do you choose which elements you will distort in an image?
    JJ:
    It's just the painting process. Maybe when I get tired or bored with something, I start to change it. It's always about trying to get lost and not finding a way back.

    NM: So would you say your work is more intuitive or intentional?
    JJ:
    It's more intuitive.

    NM: In “I told you I’d be home most of the day” you have paintings of objects or fragments of objects, like the couch, the dogs or the teapot. How do you see their role in expressing hidden stories or deeper feelings?
    JJ:
    The way I work is more about getting interested in the image. I don't think about a story, I think about the colour and how to get there. Sometimes I aim for photorealism, but other times I get bored, or something happens during the process that takes it elsewhere. That’s part of the process. I didn’t know what the show would look like when I arrived at the gallery to install it. I’ve been trying things out in my studio, but when I got here, with the bigger walls, something else happened. I’m open to this change. I don’t have all the answers; I’m looking for them, just like the audience.

    NM: You just ask the questions. Can you tell me a bit about the title of the exhibition?
    JJ:
    I’ve been working with Staffordshire dogs or figurines of Staffordshire dogs for a couple of years and the title, “I told you I would be home most of the day,” came from an Oxford Dictionary example sentence. It connected with the dogs in a way that made sense to me. It follows the same logic as the images—I choose what works, even if I don’t fully understand why.

    NM: What caught your interest when it came to the dogs?
    JJ:
    I came across them at a flea market. I had never had a relationship with these figurines, but seeing so many at once was overwhelming. I wanted to buy them all and work with them, but they were too expensive. Even though I didn’t buy them, I kept thinking about them and eventually found them everywhere. There is also a story that made me want the dogs even more. In the 18th or 17th century, sailors bought them in English harbours and took them home. It’s rumoured that people would place the dogs on windowsills or fireplaces, and depending on how they were positioned—head-to-head or facing away—it would send a message. One way meant “no-go,” and the other was a signal that meant the lover could visit. When I was preparing for the show, I realised I hadn’t used this story in my work yet.

    NM: So you had the dogs, the love triangle story, and the title. What came first—the paintings, the story, or the dogs?
    JJ:
      It was a slow process. The images are different, but there’s a red thread tying them together. I wanted the story to be the ghost behind the exhibition, allowing viewers to interpret the details.

    NM: Your work seems to focus on small, sometimes unnoticed details of life. What attracts or inspires you about these elements?
    JJ:
    I think I enjoy looking at things, at small details in everyday objects, like the armrest of our Italian couch. I’ve been looking at this couch for so long, especially the armrest. It's almost abstract when you view it—it’s just two fields of colour. In the beginning, I saw it like that, just two colours. I kept it that way for a long time, and then I added movement to it. But I wasn’t thinking about couches and romance. My grandfather used to say to me that I got too close when drawing and that I would turn blind from straining my eyes. But I always liked focusing on details—there's a microcosmos everywhere. I sit in the corner of the studio with the painting on the easel. It’s not like a Jackson Pollock explosion—it’s very quiet. I think my images are quiet too. It’s like fishing - nothing happens on the surface, but there’s something beneath, waiting to change.

    NM: I agree they are quiet, but I don’t think there’s not much happening. The idea of longing seems central to this exhibition. How do you approach expressing such an intangible feeling in visual art?
    JJ:
    I don’t have an answer for that. It’s very intuitive—how it turns out is just how it turns out.

    NM: So, it's quite a meditative and introspective process?
    JJ:
    Yes, but sometimes the opposite—crazy.  Especially with deadlines. I build all my canvases and many of the frames, and when I’m frustrated, I hammer away—anger management. One of the portraits in this exhibition sat on the shelf for a while. I couldn’t get her face right. She was longing for something, but I ended up splashing paint over her—she turned purple or blackish red and disappeared behind the surface. I left the studio. A month later, I came back, and she was still looking at me, still longing.

    NM: How do you know when it’s ready? When it’s time to stop?
    JJ:
    Sometimes I’m afraid of ruining it, so I stop. There are examples where I stopped too early, but that became part of the piece—just realising I painted only a part of it. I think putting the frame on is my way of saying goodbye. Usually, I paint on just the board or wood, and when I build the frame, it feels like a final step—a way to let go.

    NM: How has your work evolved over the years?
    JJ:
    In art school, I wanted to be a painter of big, splashy, gestural works. I was inspired by German painters and American abstract expressionists. My classmates and I inspired each other, but it was a mismatch for me as a person. My graduation paintings were two by four meters—really big. But after art school, I travelled and needed to shrink my work to fit in a suitcase. When I moved to Malmö, I had a small studio in my apartment, so I couldn’t paint large pieces either. Eventually, I found that working on a smaller scale suited me better, allowing me to focus more on details. I think this detail-oriented quality about them was always there, but I took detours and kept coming back to focusing on details.

    NM: Is there a specific emotional response you'd like viewers to have when they see the exhibition?
    JJ:
    The response to the exhibition has been overwhelming. I could never have planned for it. There were a lot of people, and many kind things were said. Right now, it’s hard to answer that question, but I hope the audience sees parts of me in the work. I want them to have their own stories, and maybe together, we can create a new one.

    NM: So you paint and then let the work have its own life, in a way.
    JJ:
    No, I want them to spend a long time with me first. I need to have spent a lot of time with them.

    NM: Is that because you're a perfectionist or why is that?
    JJ:
    It’s more about having a dialogue with the painting if that makes sense.

    NM: I'd love to hear more about that dialogue.
    JJ:
    I want the paintings to grow into good paintings, even if they’re not perfect—because no painting is perfect. The source material is just that—source material. The painting has to stand by itself and be ready.

    NM: What's next for you?
    JJ:
    I'm longing for the studio. It's been a couple of nerve-wracking weeks before this exhibition, with ups and downs, so I want to get back to the studio. My girlfriend and I plan to visit Norway to look at some art and get new inspiration, and then we'll see. Nothing is planned, which is nice.

  • PART XX “The Lovers”, 2021. photography Gunter Lepowski

    Bateau Rouge, An Interview with Constance Tenvik

    Written by Astrid Birnbaum by Sandra Myhrberg

    Celebrated for her mastery across performance, textile, sculpture, costume, painting, and drawing, Constance Tenvik stands as a visionary artist, crafting immersive installations that resonate globally. The upcoming exhibition at The Munch Museum in Oslo will no doubt elevate Tenvik to new heights. Whether nestled in artist retreats or exploring new countries, she seamlessly transforms each environment into a curated extension of her vibrant creations. In this global artistic journey, Tenvik’s oeuvre un- folds like a sophisticated maximalist, weaving together narratives, colour theories, and ex- aggerated forms that enchant discerning audiences. Drawing inspiration from the tapestry of humanity, dreams, and mythological fragments, her paintings intricately interweave, creating a chromatic collage that transcends conventional boundaries. Tenvik’s artistic allure has graced exhibitions across the world, solidifying her presence as a revered artist whose work resonates with the global artistic conscience.

    Astrid Birnbaum: Constance, I would like to begin this interview at the beginning. You are Norwegian but you were born in London in the year of 1990. As a child and teenager - did you surround yourself with creative things?
    Constance Tenvik: I was dancing Jazz-ballet four times a week and every other weekend until I was 16. I was also singing in a church choir for two years that I ended up in accidentally. I wanted to give emotional support to my friend by showing up with her to the choir audition. I ended up being in the choir but not her. I actually liked it a lot. I was not a perfectionist about it but I liked being part of it. We had a few concerts in the concert house. The nice thing about a choir is that if you leave while everyone is singing, no one will notice. If two people leave, it’s fine. If three people leave it really makes a difference. It’s not really about you, but you are necessary for the choir. I was a child when I picked up some parts of my dads CD collection that had everything from funk to Mozart’s Requiem. There was always music in the house. As a teenager I tried to find excuses to draw, I liked reading books and I was in a poetry club. I was already writing a diary. I still do, every day. I think a lot of artists have a need of documenting and remembering moments and making them last longer. I have recorded many things in my life - small things like everyday conversations, food, music and interactions.

    AB: When growing older you studied art. You went to Yale University School of arts where you did your masters degree. How were your years in art school?
    CT: My undergrad experience at the Academy of Art in Oslo gave me a good foundation. I still keep in touch with some of my professors from back then and remember things they shared with me. The Yale experience felt like I was building a vault of my interests. I had access to most courses across all fields, which is incredible. You could go to the biology department if you wanted to - you could go everywhere to learn. My daily route was studio - library - home. That was my little world there. I’d go to the Be inecke library for old manuscripts and I’d go to the HAAS library after studio visits when someone had just mentioned ten new artist names. I could then find a bunch of books about these artists and just flip through it all. Having libraries like that so close and in such an elevated environment - it really helped me build my world of thoughts and references. I am still ruminating over the things I learnt and the academic interests that were formed there. I was in the sculpture department, my studio was messy and full of experiments. I made a lot of things - like a bathtub out of paper mache with a three-breasted monster in it.

    AB: What was your first project after art school?
    CT: The day after I graduated I took everything I had and went to Kristiansand Kunsthall. For two weeks I prepared an installation and made costumes for everyone who worked there. I was jumping out into the real world. The same summer I went to Basel, Switzerland and did a performance called “Eye of the Tired” where I involved a drummer and a bodybuilder. Martin and Amy from Loyal Gallery in Stockholm were in the audience, and out of that performance, without having seen anything else I had made, they offered me a solo show. I was active and eager and probably absorbing a lot - I wanted to see and do things. Now I have more of a recognisable style than in the beginning. It took me a while to develop a distinguished style. One thing that drove me in the beginning was a curiosity about performance art. I was a child when I saw Matthew Barney’s Cremaster Cycles, a teenager when I saw Tori Wrånes perform, I’ve later participated as a troll in two of her performances and I must’ve been 19 when I saw Marina Abramovic at MOMA, I interviewed her for a Norwegian newspaper a couple of years later. Something staged that had to do with rituals - it was a mysterious thing.

    It was incredible to be in Los Angeles - the people, the creative vibe and the sea- son. I felt alive and inspired! The New York show titled “Finding Shelter Under a Giant’s Tongue” was with Harkawik, a gallery in Chinatown. For this show, I did paintings where I reimagined contemporary New York via the lens of Gargantua. Peter Harkawik visited me in Oslo the year before and told me I had to read Gargantua. So I did and became so obsessed that I had to read all five books in Norwegian and English. After reading those, written by François Rabelais, I also had to read Mikhail Bakhtin on Rabelais. Bakhtin points out that Rabelais's humour is humour that today we might find vulgar but might have more meaning than we allow it to give it now. I came to New York, I set up a studio for 3 months - maybe a little more this time. I really tried to restrain myself from not doing portraits and managed to only have two paintings of real people in the show. I focused on creating scenes for the rest of the show because I was so inspired in New York. During the first part, I lived in Little Jamaica and worked in Gowanus. For the second part, I lived in Chinatown and had my studio in Bushwick. Every day, I jumped up and got out on the street, meeting so many people. There is a lot of energy in the printing that I think comes from being in such a stimulating and ambitious place with so many great minds and hearts.

    AB: I know you are right now working on a big project in Oslo - the Solo Oslo series. Tell me all about that! You are working in Edvard Munch’s old studio, am I right?
    CT: Yes! I am at the fourth out of five exhibitions in this series that the Munch Museum has initiated. I haven’t worked like this since 2018-19. It’s very exciting. One of my favourite things in the world is to make installations but I feel like it is mostly suited to institutional places like Museums and Kunsthallen. More than in galleries. Now that David Zwirner hasn’t offered anything at least. *both laughing* I was supposed to have Edvard Munch’s old studio for the last couple of months before the show but somehow I managed to negotiate a way to have this studio from January to September. So now I have all this space - it’s so nuts. It really is his dream studio, with natural light coming in from the ceiling. I had a proposal to make an installation based on a play by Aristophanes called The Birds. The play is about two humans who are tired of living on Earth. So they go up to the heavens to convince the birds that they have to turn their bird world into an empire. At one point, the birds are the new gods. They are being praised and admired. Also - it’s so much cheaper to make temples out of hay than out of marble. But the gods are being starved by not getting the attention they’re used to getting from the humans, nor their sacrifices. So the gods start a war against the birds. I’m basically looking at humans by comparing birds, humans and gods. I like to take on big themes. Often times I’m centred around questions surrounding the human condition. What we do as humans and our desires. Yet sometimes it’s okay to just live. I think my portrait series is proof that my own investigations and people I meet can become art on their own. But I do also like to attack a bigger theme or something academic. It’s a way to keep growing and to keep being curious. I have a good team with me now at the Munch Museum. I think it will be very up- lifting to do this. I say no to most things these days to focus on this completely. I actually love to just do one thing at a time. Even if this thing involves a lot of elements. I want to transform a room and make it my world.

    AB: What are your hopes for 2024? Is there something specific that you are looking forward to?
    CT: I am excited to have this headspace. To go into this interest in the theatrical, philosophical, historical and mythological. It’s a great time to geek out. The horizon right now makes me feel dedicated and focused. My diary has been red or blue every other year. The red has always been like go go go – fire mode. The blue ones have been reminders to engage in contemplation. But this year, I have a black calendar. I feel like it’s a monumental year. Let’s see where it goes. I hope I do not get overpowered by my own expectations for this year, but I’m taking it seriously.

    photography Thando Sikawuti

    hair & makeup Ida Stokkeland / Gevir

    “Aloof Periwigs installation shot”, 2022. photography Matthew Kroening. Anat Ebgi Gallery, Los Angeles / New York
    “Anna Selects A Nipple Of Venus To Eat”, 2022. photography Matthew Kroening. Anat Ebgi Gallery, Los Angeles / New York
    “The Party At The Waldstadten Library”, 2022. photography Matthew Kroening. Anat Ebgi Gallery, Los Angeles / New York
    “How Gargantua Ate Six Travellers In A Salad”, 2023. courtesy of Harkawik
    photography Thando Sikawuti
    hair & makeup Ida Stokkeland / Gevir

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